Really do not get to this .. Shoots quite well if I may say so myself, but I can not shoot frameless! (I've only had one fork hit as long as I've shot so it's not a normal problem for me.) Either I get a bandslap over the index finger, or over the thumb. Tests to make adjustments to avoid this and puts two balls in the index finger!!! (Luckily I trained with 8mm clay balls 1632 tubes). The picture is 5 days after the incident, its still hurts!!